Clydesdale Media Podcast

Every Sunday Night Carolyne Prevost, Jamie Latimer, and Scott Switzer break down the news of the week in the CrossFit Space. Tonight we talk about the Service Cup and see where our very own Carolyne Prevost Finished. We look at the sale of Wodapalooza and what that means, We take questions from you, anything you want to know. Plus we will pay fact or fiction.

What is Clydesdale Media Podcast?

We cover the sport of CrossFit from all angles. We talk with athletes, coaches and celebrities that compete and surround in the sport of CrossFit at all levels. We also bring you Breaking News, Human Interest Stories and report on the Methodology of CrossFit. We also use the methodology to make ourselves the fittest we can be.

What's going on, everybody?

Are you ready and fired up for some

Sunday, Sunday,

Sunday night CrossFit talk?

Karen Oprevo, Jamie Latimer,

and myself are here to talk about all

the news in the CrossFit space and

everything kind of going on around it.

It's been kind of a dud of a

week for some news.

We got a couple things,

so we're going to talk about those.

And then we're going to turn it over

to you guys to talk about whatever you

guys want to.

And we'll wrap it up with that.

But I get to come in tonight on

a victory,

which for a Penn state and Chicago bears

fan is very rare.

Yeah.

Uh,

but thank goodness for a blocked field

goal, um,

from Josh Blackwell at the very end of

the game to seal the victory.

And in a game that we did not

play to the best of our ability,

we ended up coming out with a victory.

That's good.

Yeah, Lions too.

I have a question to ask you, though.

Okay.

How much grief is Ben Johnson going to

get?

Did you see his halftime interview?

I did not.

So the interviewer said,

do you guys need to change in the

second half?

And he said, what do you think?

He's pretty curt.

That's just the way he is.

Yeah, he is.

I've noticed that.

Yeah.

Part of me likes it,

like in the press conferences with the

local media,

because they ask the same questions over

and over again, right?

So I kind of like it there.

Not sure it was the best look on

national TV coming out of halftime.

Yeah.

I feel like he did it,

was it last week too?

It's a very similar.

I know one week he skipped it altogether.

Like he didn't even do the halftime

interview.

So,

but he's been with the lions for years

and now this is his first year with

the bears.

So I just have,

did you've seen that in him before?

I don't know.

I don't know that I noticed.

I mean, I,

I don't know that I even like pay

attention to if he even would speak,

you get, you get Dan and Dan's like,

you know, he'll rile you up.

Like he's, I don't know.

We're going to bite some ankles and

kneecap.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

He is an interesting fellow.

I mean, he's got one singular focus.

I don't think he has time to chit-chat.

That is the role, though,

of the head coach.

Like,

he needs to probably learn that a little

bit.

He's been great, like, all season.

And it's just been in the last couple

weeks he kind of gets curt with the

local media,

and now it seems to be carrying over

to the national media.

And so it's just interesting, but...

On a different note, not football,

I do have a question for Carolyn.

So you know I'm a big-time Pittsburgh

Penguins fan.

Fleury?

Yes.

So Marc-Andre Fleury was their goalkeeper

the last time they won the Stanley Cup.

And he retired,

and then he went to Vegas,

played for them.

I think he won a cup in Vegas,

and then he finished his career in

Florida, and I think won another cup.

He played for Minnesota.

He played for Chicago, I think.

He went around after for many teams.

So this weekend,

the Penguins brought him back on a one-day

contract and let him play in a preseason

game so he could say goodbye to the

Pittsburgh fans.

Is that typical for hockey?

He is one of the most popular players

online.

um, like in the national hockey league.

And like, he was like in Pittsburgh, like,

I don't even know how many years,

like he was there forever.

Yeah.

Forever.

I mean, it's, it's almost like, you know,

allowing, um,

a NBA player to come back to the

hometown like Kyle Lowry always says that

he wants to retire Toronto Raptor like

it's like they come back for you know

a day contract or something like that I

feel like it happens in a lot of

sports in general when you have a team

that just says taking you in and you

know you you sign that one day contract

just to retire there

Yeah,

I get I've seen that in football a

lot.

Like it's ceremonious.

They signed the one day contract,

but he actually took the ice like he

went out and went in goal for a

preseason game and played.

Well, he's a good goalie.

He's my favorite goalie.

Yeah,

I it was just it's something I'd never

seen before,

but I did think it was extremely cool.

Because they put him in the third period.

So it was the end of his preseason.

So he's not taking a spot away from

anybody.

And the fans got to give him a

standing ovation, and it was really cool.

I like him a lot.

And he's always pranking a couple of his

teammates specifically.

Like Sidney Crosby,

they do pranks back and forth.

And he put stickers in his .

. .

on Sydney's car this weekend.

And yeah,

he made sure that if he came back,

the pranks were continuing.

So I love it.

I love it for him though.

I think if there's a player that deserves

to just, you know,

end somewhere and just end it the right

way, it's,

he's one of those players that comes to

mind.

Like he, he's a great guy.

Yeah.

So, um,

before we get into the CrossFit stuff, uh,

Jamie, your hip.

What I didn't realize till after,

after last week show is how serious this

surgery is.

Like your recovery is six months.

It's not a six week, eight week thing.

No.

Yeah.

It's so it may be like,

I don't know how to say it.

It's like less invasive than a total hip

replacement,

but the healing is slower than if I

would have just gotten a total hip

replacement placement.

Um,

Just probably, I don't know.

Yeah.

He said like nine months to a year.

So are you basically out for the next

year or can you even,

or do you think you can do parts

of the open?

Like, yeah, that'll be very questionable.

Um, possibly if it's light, it's possible.

I mean,

I don't know that we'll know until I

don't even know that I'll be able to

do stuff to like four months.

So I don't even know where I'll be

at at that point.

Right.

Like, um,

I don't know.

Try not to think that far down the

road.

And really like you need to do what's

right for your body for longevity.

Like if this has been bothering you since

literally like ten years ago.

Exactly.

You have to find some time to get

it done.

Right.

And if I'm thinking about the open right

now, I'm probably pushing things too soon.

Like that's just not even my thought

process.

Like we'll just take a week at a

time and see where I'm at in PT.

And I have my follow-up Friday.

So this coming Friday with the surgeon.

So we'll see where,

how are you walking like with help at

all right now?

Or like at what stage of this recovery

are you?

um i have to have crutches okay so

because i like that's the slow part is

like letting the labrum heal not putting

too much weight on the leg or it

won't heal um and they shave the bone

down so like all that like i don't

know it has to heal over um so

Yeah.

I think just like keeping weight off of

it, um,

is like the priority four to six weeks

of crutches.

Um, I'm, it's hard though.

Like I, I don't know.

I probably moved too fast on my crutches.

I don't know.

I've never been trained on crutches,

so I don't even know that I'm doing

them right.

And I'm like worried.

And yes,

I probably will need to do the other

hip Denise.

Um,

and i worry right now with the way

i'm like using the one side it's cause

it's problematic and i don't like that

like i don't like like i've had the

compensation patterns like my left knee

was bothering me because of my right hip

and like i don't want to cause more

issues on one side for these next three

four weeks while i'm gimping around like

trying to avoid that but it's hard yeah

let me let me ask you this question

as a competitor

is it easier to give up a season

for your future health as a master's

athlete, knowing the timeframe is forever,

then it would be an elite athlete where

you have like a ticking clock where you

only have so many years to compete in

that division.

Sure.

I mean, I'm sure.

Yeah.

If I was.

Or when at and like, yeah, that'd be,

it would be really hard.

Um,

Yeah, it is what it is.

If it, you know,

if I can't come back for a couple

of years and then I, you know, whatever,

I take crack at it when I turned

for forty five.

Yeah,

it is nice knowing that like the Masters

is around.

Well, as much as it is around,

you know,

things change and it's like frustrating to

watch.

I'm trying to not really even like dive

too much into like what's happening with

the season because it's like, oh, great.

There's going to be an in-person one.

That's what I've been wanting.

And I probably can't even go do it

like.

And it probably won't go well,

so then we won't have it next year

when I can come back.

So it's just like,

it is what it is.

Well, it's got to go well.

Because it's the right thing to do.

Yeah.

So it should be back.

J-Snap, what was your surgery exactly?

So FAI.

it's a femoral acetabular impingement um

so he they did a femoroplasty and a

acetabularplasty and the labrum

reconstruction there's like three or four

anchors in there uh no trish she just

plays a doctor on tv it's just my

headphone old school headphones

I've learned doing this podcast thing.

It's better to be wired in than to

be wireless.

Yeah.

Because like I have my wire too.

It never runs out of battery.

Right.

Exactly.

So, and the other thing about your,

your situation is you're in the third year

of your division anyway, right?

Like,

so it's not like you're in the first

year in with your best shot, right?

Although you did just as well.

Yeah.

And I feel like I would have done

really,

I think I would have done really well

when I was.

Yeah, I do.

I agree.

So I don't know.

I try not to look at,

look at it like that per se,

but yeah, I get what you're saying.

Like that I'm getting towards the end of

this one.

So it is what it is.

Yeah.

But Jason grub one at forty nine.

So exactly.

I found that when I came back from

surgery,

I was stronger than before the surgery in

many, many ways.

Yeah, that's the hope.

I mean,

that's kind of been the thing for years.

Like everyone is just like, well,

if you could just get stronger,

what do you think I do?

Do you like, I mean, I,

I don't know if people just think I

like Haley and just do Metcons and run

and run and that's all I ever did

and never tried to get stronger.

I mean, I would do,

I would squat three, four times a week.

And maybe that was the issue is like,

I was just chasing,

trying to get stronger and squatting in

particular is what like would kill my

back.

And I would just be like hung up

for three days after,

after a squat session.

But yeah, I just, I wasn't making,

I'm not, I'm not making strength gains.

I'm not making progress.

I just hurt myself all the time.

I wonder if it's because recovery allows

the body to fully rest.

And that's something that Jamie never

does.

Never.

And neither does Carolyn.

But Carolyn does it on a managed schedule,

I think.

I mean, I rest twice a week.

That's true.

I take two full rest days.

And sometimes, honestly,

three rest days in my week,

depends how busy I am.

Sometimes I might do Sunday and Monday

off.

Whatever I feel like.

I usually take Thursdays off and then

Sundays, whatever.

Shanna,

all the PT and core work I did

helped in so many ways.

There's a lot to be said.

Like when I first started CrossFit,

we would have like days where we just

worked on like the small muscle stuff,

like the core and the imbalance and

different things like that,

where we didn't really focus on a Metcon

that day.

And some of those days were harder than

doing a twenty minute Metcon.

Jeff Baker, rest when you're dead,

am I right?

um so seated strict press i can power

snatch easy anything i can strict press

cheat code yeah i'm doing a lot of

upper body bench press shirt press

dumbbell just yeah uh there are so many

things you to work on in recovery you

can do all ten arm and core stuff

uh build yourself back from ground up

yep i do core every day i mean

as much i can't like really do anything

but i just basically do miguel curl ups

and hold that's one that's one of the

pt exercises i'm doing right now um

Well, we're with you the whole way.

We'll follow the journey.

And it's gonna be a great test of

the sickness, wellness, fitness continuum.

You're clear over here,

so maybe the surgery won't take you all

the way back and you can get through

it faster,

but hopefully we'll be patient along the

way as well.

Yeah, I'm trying.

Um, and Denise says,

look at those guns already and live at

the eighty-five percent on those.

You will see gains.

And my strict, yeah.

Strict press spent for our stuff.

Yeah.

so um the last thing i wanted to

say is fantasy football wise i saw andrew

stent is going to be at oh and

four thankfully carolyn doesn't know how

to use the app yet uh jamie was

training her tonight and i played carolyn

this weekend so i might be getting my

first win yeah because apparently i kept

two players that were injured so that's

great that's great in the starting lineup

yeah you don't want that

But I had to deal with a week

of Jeff Baco in every chat telling

everybody that he beat me.

I know.

Every chat in every podcast.

I know.

I wasn't that far behind him.

I was only like five points behind him

for overall points.

We're tied on the leaderboard.

Andrew Sten sat Ashton Gentry,

who I think had four billion yards rushing

today.

Oh, that sucks.

At what point in the week do I

have to make my changes?

Is it before Thursday?

Because there's like,

is it Wednesday or in the morning,

Thursday, anytime before the first game?

So it all depends on if your players

are playing in that game.

Once that position plays,

you cannot move either the bench player or

the active player.

If their team played has started the game.

Once the game starts.

So there's Thursday night.

Right.

So technically,

if you had nobody playing on Thursday,

you can change it all the way up

to Sunday at noon or one o'clock.

But it evolves depending on when they

play.

So maybe you'll pay more attention.

Well,

the first thing I wanted to talk about

tonight is a little self-promotion for the

show.

And that is the service cup went on

last weekend and the results were posted

and first place in the educator division.

No surprise is Carolyn Prevo.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

How many times is this as a winner

of fittest teacher?

I think well back then they didn't have

like they didn't continue it like it would

just be kind of in the open that

they would do it um but like when

I've done an extra thing I think maybe

third or fourth time at least yeah so

who's the male counterpart the male

counterpart is Jacob Mason

Much closer battle on the men's side.

Will Carter,

he went to the games before on a

team.

Okay.

But they were only, uh,

eleven points apart.

Where Carolyn Dominick,

you know those other teachers are going,

when is that woman gonna retire?

So, what happens?

Now do you get to go to Mayhem

and do a final?

I haven't had the email yet that, well,

we had to...

um send in all five of well it's

four scores or it's five scores um you

have to send your video of all of

them and then send something to prove that

you're within that field okay like a

educating certificate or something like

that and then

The winning athlete of each division will

get an email.

And I think we're supposed to be getting

all the information.

And I think the way it works is

I get to choose anyone in the educator

division to pair up with me.

And then I will go in a pair

with educator against a pair of law

enforcement, a pair of firefighters,

a pair of medical officers.

So I don't know what other one I'm

missing right now.

Military.

So it's not,

it's not clear whether I'm picking an

educator or if I can pick anyone from

any field and we're pairing up.

I don't have the, the information on it.

So yes, it's at Mayhem.

It's November.

Okay.

I've had a couple of the educator athletes

reach out to me saying that they're

available.

So I have some decisions to make.

And you can pick a male or a

female?

I think it's two females.

Okay, so you need to pick a female.

Got it.

I just don't know whether you're picking

from your own division,

which is what I think.

I think you want to see who is

the fittest field versus the fittest pair.

Yeah.

So I would assume you pick from your

field.

So, yeah.

That's cool.

So in talks with some free agents,

I guess.

Yeah.

Larry Young is all medical lumped

together.

I believe so.

Yeah.

John George, how much Cheddar?

I think it's all for the love of

your occupation.

Last year,

there was money there last year.

I think the winning team,

I don't know what I don't like.

I don't have any information this year,

but the winning team last year, I think,

had like three grand.

Second place had maybe a thousand and then

third place,

maybe five hundred or something like that.

OK.

in a nice uh trophy cup that mayhem

made because i went to go look at

a youtube video because i just was curious

on what the hell the event was so

i wanted to see what kind of events

they had too last year just to see

what their style was because i don't know

if it's more crossfitty if it's more

um strongman and like kind of carrying

people i just wanted to see what kind

of things like you're expected there so

then i went back on the mayhem video

from last year and it looked really cool

i just i think it's two from the

same division um and yeah there was a

little prize at the end do they pay

for you to get out to me or

is that oh i doubt it okay i'm

not sure but i would assume no hey

look at this guys new member

But yeah, no,

I doubt that they would pay because that's

like, that would be way too expensive.

So let's look at some of the other

divisions.

This is CrossFit Professional.

We have Devin Kopsel was the winner there.

What is CrossFit Professional?

I think it's coaches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So some of these divisions,

you're not – so this one,

the CrossFit professional,

the CrossFit coach is what it is

basically.

You're not moving on to the next round,

but you were able to participate.

Did you guys do the Service Cup workouts

at your affiliate?

I had a member do them.

He's in military.

Okay.

Cause like I programmed them for CrossFit

Coliseum.

So we all did them.

I didn't,

I didn't do any of mine with the

classes cause I did two of them at

school,

two of them right after school before like

classes began, but they all did them.

They liked them.

They're good.

Awesome.

Ashley,

Michael won the CrossFit professional

women.

Okay.

And then we have a firefighter.

Lauren Crocetti.

And then on the men's side,

we have Cam Crockett.

We know Cam.

A buddy of mine up in Akron.

He was Amanda Barnhart's training partner.

Probably five-time semifinal regional

athlete.

Brandon Swan.

Games athlete?

Brandon Swan from Australia.

Yeah.

Yeah,

he's the one who fell off the rope

the first time he made the games and

to get to finish.

He's a great guy.

I had him on the show, gosh,

maybe a couple years ago.

Super, super awesome guy.

Great storyteller.

Brennan Smith sounds familiar too.

Then we go to law enforcement.

We have Samuel Paquin.

Oh, yeah.

That one sounds really familiar.

Lee Sharum.

He was on a team this year with

the Meat Nugget.

I can't remember her.

Jessica Androzek.

And then on the women's side,

Megan Apostolaris, friend of the show.

Good job.

Royal Canadian Mountie.

That's awesome.

And then we have medical,

which is Alex DeGarmo.

That name sounds really familiar too.

That sounds very familiar.

And then the men,

we have Tristan Harrison,

which is a semifinal athlete again,

last couple of years.

And military, Jack Rosema,

may have heard of him.

dominated women Katie Cunningham and then

service supporter is this like spouse or

partner probably just anyone that wants to

do the workouts I would assume just like

you want to support and give ten bucks

that's what I would think

Yeah, that makes sense.

Just to, like, pop into the competition.

So that's Erica Matthews,

and on the men's side, Christian Vela.

So, anyway,

those are your Service Cup winners.

Jack and Carolyn Shockers, I know.

And they do have the overall rank.

So if I do all...

Jack was the overall winner.

Cam second.

Brandon Swan fifth.

And on the women's side,

I think Carolyn was, yeah,

Carolyn won the overall for all service.

And a pretty decent,

by a pretty decent chunk of change.

Like the next educator is fifth place,

Maddie Edwards.

So a one and a five,

that's pretty good.

I like looking at that.

We're all stack up.

Yeah.

Different.

Yeah.

So twenty five point win.

Not too shabby.

All right.

How are the workouts?

Workouts are good.

They're accessible.

No hanging, high-skill movements,

no handstand push-ups.

So a lot of dumbbell work, grippy things.

One of them was a row,

and then you added fifty feet of farmer

carry every time.

So it was like a twenty-minute AMRAP of

that.

So anyone can just hop in and do

that workout.

Short workout,

you get a thruster and burpee.

Workout.

Twenty one.

Fifteen nine nine.

I think it was.

Yeah.

Shorter ish.

Depends, I guess,

if you like that shorter for some people.

And then you had a workout that was

a ten minute.

Amrap of hang.

clean and jerk with a barbell into a

back squat into a toaster bar.

So it went five, ten back squats,

fifteen toaster bars.

And then at the ten minute mark,

you have five minutes to do a max

clean.

Anyhow.

My only thing I would say for these

workouts is I'm used to going like

overhead into a back squat.

Like I think that's

a lightweight that we had like eight

pounds.

I don't know how it was for other

members,

but I don't think that's a move that

a lot of people practice is to go

from the overhead position to a back.

So I would,

I think it's just a little bit of

a miss there for the,

like just the oversight of like safety

wise of the workout.

But other than that,

it was super accessible, fun workouts,

nothing too crazy.

Um,

that five minute went by way too fast.

I switched my shoes up and even put

my like, um, wrist wrapping.

You had like one of them,

one of my cleans.

I had one of them on and I'm

trying to do it on the other one.

I thought I had way more time than

I had.

It was super grippy.

Yeah.

A lot of grippy.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm missing a workout.

It was, uh, uh,

dump another one with dumbbells over a

box, uh,

It was like eight or ten reps.

I don't remember.

Then it was dumbbell snatches,

maybe like twelve and I think forty eight

double under six rounds of that.

So sorry I missed that one.

Yeah.

So he did like the toes to bar

with the max clean and he changed his

shoes as well.

Had time for three lifts.

So that's all you really need.

I'm glad they brought it back and I'm

glad that it's being supported and

I hope you find a good partner and

we could see some video of you in

Cookville.

I haven't been to Cookville since...

I've only been there once.

I went there because I competed on a

team before for Mayhem.

I haven't been there since,

so I'm excited.

Wow.

It's all different now.

Yeah, that's what I heard.

I mean, I've seen also in the videos.

Yeah.

Now they have the big athlete-only area,

and it wasn't there before.

What's crazy is when Lex was there for

the Mayhem Classic,

where that is now was just a big

tent,

and a rainstorm came in and flooded the

whole thing out on one of the days.

Oh, it was such a mess.

Yeah.

And that takes us to the next story,

and that is being an event organizer and

how crazy that can be.

And you have to be special to be

able to do that.

And if you have not heard,

Loud and Live decided to sell the

Wadapalooza events to a consortium that is

headed by Dylan Malitzky.

And I just want to take a minute

to say that if anybody has earned this

opportunity, it is Dylan.

When I started as a volunteer in two

thousand thirteen,

he was just starting as an emcee.

he has worked his he went if you

don't know a story he went to college

at university of miami with allison scuds

and uh noah olsen okay we got connected

with peak and guido trinidad and he

started volunteering with wataplooza miami

then then they asked him to go on

the mic and he did not want to

do it he didn't think he'd be good

at it if you've ever heard dylan at

an event he is the best

It takes a special talent not to say

the same things all day long.

And he is so good at it.

I recognize his voice every time he's on

the mic.

He has a voice that you recognize.

And you can't say that about a lot

of people in the space because you'll hear

a lot of voices at different events.

But yeah, he's good.

And in all my time in the space,

I've never heard someone say a bad word

about Dylan.

He comes on shows even though he hates

it.

He participates in things.

He's always available at events to make

sure you're doing okay.

And I've known him since we were both

volunteers.

So I've known him since...

I think it's when we first worked at

an event together.

And I'm just super happy for him.

And in the story that the barbell spin

broke, he talked to Dylan and everybody...

On this consortium,

Does CrossFit has competed at Wadapalooza

and works out an affiliate,

which is pretty freaking cool.

So, I mean,

it's just like a band of people that

got together and came up with money.

Yeah.

It happens all the time.

Like in sports,

usually nobody has the amount of money to

buy like an NFL team consortium that comes

together, pulls their money.

Dylan was named the director of Waza

sports, which is what it's called now.

And he is a partner of the group.

A lot of liveness,

both the SoCal and the Miami one.

Both were sold.

And what was Loud and Live in charge

of?

The media part of it?

So Loud and Live is a big company

for event planning in Miami.

And the CrossFit stuff just kind of became

part of their portfolio.

But really,

they just let O'Keefe and or Dylan run

the CrossFit stuff.

But in Miami,

they're like a big event coordinator,

like for celebrities,

for a lot of different things like that.

So it probably didn't fit their portfolio

anymore.

And so they just were going to be.

And if someone was interested in buying it

and Dylan has put so much time and

effort into this to grow it,

why not give it to the person who

is invested in it and let him own

it?

And it makes more sense to them.

Plus it gives Loud and Live some cashflow.

So who knows what they're trying to do

otherwise,

but it gives them pretty immediately some

cashflow.

But I'm just happy it's him.

Like he's just, he's just a good dude.

And, you know,

he grew up through all the stuff that

we did and, and gets what it is.

So I put in the rundown of,

the sneaky big news around this.

So Dylan bought this with his group right

before SoCal.

So the sale was done.

We see that all of the CrossFit HQ

people were at Wadapalooza SoCal.

Some of them who have never been to

a Wadapalooza event ever in their time at

CrossFit.

Do you see this leading to even more

and bigger partnerships with CrossFit?

Well, there's already one with the open,

I guess, with that partnership.

Are you saying like CrossFit would want to

run anything with them?

Cause I feel like CrossFit is extremely

hands-off for.

I think that now you have an event

director who can help put on events and

They have all of the equipment,

like the lighting and the stuff that they

take from venue to venue,

or they have the resources or the

connections to get all of that stuff,

right?

And once you become a bigger company that

does it for more than like two events

or three events,

but now maybe you do it for five

or six or seven events,

that can become a cheaper overhead.

Right, right.

So you think maybe this will be the

group that puts on the local semifinals in

the U.S.

here?

I just think that it could lead to

more.

Like they could help with the games.

They could help with the setup of the

games.

They could help with.

different lighting.

They could help with different just to

change things up.

Right.

It's just different ideas.

They could, you know,

Dylan has done a great job of maximizing

the footprint he had, like in Miami.

If you've never been to the,

the original water Palooza site,

he got every square inch of that park

used for water Palooza.

And just to have that knowledge of like

how to plan that footprint and

And I only say that,

and this is not a dig on CrossFit,

really.

You go to Madison,

there was a lot of empty space, right?

And it was really kind of spread out.

If you like pulled that in a little

bit and got the community closer together,

I think it just changes the dynamic of

how it looks, how it feels,

how the vendors may be excited about it,

things like that.

Yeah, I mean,

it could certainly be in talks.

Who knows what's in talks with CrossFit

right now?

Yeah.

Denise,

Wadapalooza understands how to draw

spectators in.

How much are tickets for Wadapalooza?

Everything's always expensive for

Wadapalooza.

But they have the free day.

And I think that's key.

That's a big deal.

And they started going into a tiered

ticketing system too.

Like Madison,

like you would have like a festival ticket

that was fifty bucks a day and then

you'd have the VIP ticket that was like

three hundred bucks a day.

Now their VIP area was beach bars, um,

up on the top of the thing,

like really well done and well thought

out.

Right.

Um,

Chris,

CrossFit is finally realizing that having

partners is a good thing.

The same old model doesn't work,

so let's counter WFP and partner with

someone who supports CrossFit.

I don't think you need to counter WFP.

I don't think.

Yeah.

I mean, on one hand,

the problem always lies in the more people

you bring in,

the more

the more information gets out ahead of

time because you're bringing in a whole

nother group to loop them in.

Well,

I'm not even saying like that they have

to be a part of like the strategy.

They just have resources, right?

But they have to for floor setup.

Like they have to.

You're thinking floor setup.

I'm thinking venue setup.

Yeah.

But I mean, if you start, I mean,

I guess you can keep things very vague,

but like you start talking about, hey,

I need a seventy foot floor and I

need and I need some of a turf

or we start like start adding elements.

I mean, yeah,

you could probably still keep it super

vague, but.

When you can keep that in house,

if you wanted to.

Yeah.

And just but just the whole like footprint

of the event is.

I don't know.

I think it's a good thing.

The more partners you have,

the more people with expertise and

knowledge and you don't have to bring on

every member of, of water Palooza sport.

You could just like say, Hey Dylan,

can you help us out with X, Y,

and Z and bring in one person or

I don't know.

It just,

it was exciting to me because I think

it opens up the avenues of some new

and exciting things.

I tell you what, go ahead.

You know who needs to bring them in?

is legends they need that footprint was

terrible right vendor space every like

just not laid out well it wasn't laid

out well at all like they were all

the way at the end and like the

specters didn't even have to go there at

all and see anything nope there was no

reason for it where it was

We just don't have any sponsors in the

space right now.

I just feel like it's hard to get

sponsors.

It's too expensive.

We're charging too much.

Tickets are too much and charging the

sponsors too much to have a booth there.

And I think if you have more sponsors,

first of all,

it helps with the event and draws people

in because they can go and see a

bunch of different vendors.

I just think we have a problem with

pricing, which we talked about previously.

I will bang the drum forever.

The Waterpalooza's free day makes the

vendors so happy.

And I guess at SoCal,

the vendor village is outside of where

your ticketing is.

So if you just want to go shop,

it's right out front.

Yeah.

Denise said Yeti was a sponsor and wasn't

even there.

You know what I love?

I hate about Yeti is I was at

the games.

Yeti in vendor village.

This is in Madison.

They had a big booth set up with

all the different colored Yeti cups and

all the sizes and all the shapes and

all the stuff.

And I love yet.

And I wanted a Yeti bottle and I

went in to buy one.

They weren't selling them there.

They just made a big display and like,

go to the website and buy it.

Wow.

Well,

you just lost me because I was going

to hand you a credit card right here,

but I'm not going to get online and

have it shipped to my house.

They didn't want to bring inventory.

But they had all the cool colors.

Yeah.

Andrew said,

I will say Legends got screwed by some

sponsors that came from the CrossFit side.

Yeah,

I know that when I've talked to people,

not necessarily at Legends,

but other groups that have worked with

CrossFit,

they only got so many slots to get

sponsors or people in the vendor village.

And then CrossFit left X number open for

themselves because it's still called the

CrossFit age group CrossFit games.

But that shouldn't have impacted the

footprint.

So, all right.

WFP made an announcement this week when

Will Morad was on with Peter of Coffee

Pods and Wads.

They announced finals will be nine events.

This is Copenhagen.

This is the road we've been following for

a while.

And it is laid out over four days.

Day one will be a swim and one

other event.

Day two will be project one,

their community event,

but they're also making the athletes do it

as well.

And then one event,

then day three will be three events and

day four will be two events.

I felt like we already knew that

information.

We already knew that there was nine events

in a swim there.

So I don't know what,

I guess we just know how many days

have how many events.

That's the only new information.

And the project one.

What is project one?

It is a community workout.

I think it's already been announced.

Like the athletes would already know what

it is?

I think so.

I'd have to double check.

I don't want to, I don't want to,

I shouldn't have said yes.

Yeah.

I'm not sure either.

I don't, yeah.

I don't know if they had something to

do with their community stuff that they

were doing all along or if it's, yeah,

I don't know.

What about, I'm sorry.

Okay.

We'll finish this and I'll come back to

the question.

John asked a great question and I want

to pose it out there.

So anyway,

Yeah, no,

there was like that community stuff going

on throughout the season, right?

Like there was like a strength community

and then like a gymnastics community.

I don't know if this – I don't

understand what Project One is or what

they're trying to accomplish with it.

But it's a community event.

Yes.

And the workout that they're using for it,

they actually are now programming as part

of the finals.

So the elite athletes will be doing the

same workout that the community is doing.

What that means, I don't know.

So after watching,

and I'm assuming you watched the Will

Morad interview with Peter,

are you gaining any more confidence in the

WFP?

No.

Will is just like a good talker.

Like,

I don't know that I'm getting any

information out of him.

I thought he was better in the interview

than he's been in other ones.

I thought that he was smoother and not

necessarily.

And I thought he seemed more open with

his responses.

Because you guys are cutting out for me.

I think that's on your end, Carolyn.

Yeah, your internet is breaking up.

Because I Googled Project One WFP,

and there's a workout that comes out also.

So I don't know if it's the same

one or not.

Yeah, that's probably it.

That's it.

So I didn't gain any more trust with

Will.

Yeah.

Um, one,

because to say that the rumors were made

up when I'm one of the people who

left,

put out a rumor and I know the

people I talk to,

and I know the people I talk to

are close enough to the situation to have

a better understanding than, than I do.

So that I was biased in it.

Um,

Yeah, I don't know.

I just hear that stuff and I just

sort of roll my eyes.

Like, I just think he's, I don't know,

just sounds like lip service to me.

I do think they have a PR thing

they need to work out.

Yeah.

Carolyn, you've just,

you've gotten clearer visually.

Can you hear us?

Yeah, I'm trying to move my thingy around.

I can hear you guys now.

I can hear you guys are talking about

the interview with Will Moran.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

But even though I don't fully trust what

he's saying,

I can look at it and appreciate what

he's trying to do with WFP.

And as I've said forever,

I want all the athletes to have all

the opportunities and I want them to,

but I, I also don't want,

I don't want them to be forced to

give up other opportunities just for that

one.

But anyway, I, I mean,

I get where Will's coming from.

If they get big enough where they're able

to pay enough, then yeah,

it would be exclusive.

And it would be.

You would just make that choice as an

athlete.

What is more important to you?

A guaranteed contract or going to become

the fittest center?

I guess you got to make that decision.

I don't see an issue with it,

per se.

I just... I don't know that it's...

Again...

business-mindedly like i don't see where

they're i i think he's on to something

with the like you need to get big

enough to where the city wants you there

and that venue is that's one thing that

has kind of always confused me about the

space like why why are we huh we

had it madison wanted us there yeah and

i don't know why you wouldn't you just

take that like if you can get the

venue for free

that's that's got to save you several

hundred thousand dollars like that you put

that into the prize purse they need to

work with the city to come up with

a permanent outdoor piece to that somehow

some way yep whether it's on that property

or somewhere else and i do like that

that will did say that their goal is

to be make their tour stops in the

same place so they can develop

relationships with the city

and get that partnership.

And that's what legends told me they were

trying to do in Columbus.

Well,

year one is all about building your

reputation, right?

Cause no one knows what this league was

outside of our little CrossFit community.

So it's hard to sell without having,

you know,

multiple years of data to back up and

then to show to a city.

Um, so yeah.

I do think they need to be forthcoming

with what first place is going to get

next year.

Talks to Phil B's comment here.

Yeah.

I don't understand why they wouldn't post

the season contracts.

It will get more athletes interested.

Well, you know what you're fighting for.

You know what the pro card is worth.

Right now, we don't know exactly.

I mean,

you know what it's worth if you get

last place at each one and what the

minimum you could get,

and I guess what the top,

but you don't really know what the

guaranteed are.

And that's the thing that's drawing people

in is having that guaranteed income.

And also, I mean,

this year you could –

negotiate i guess maybe a little bit your

contracts based off of things but the

following year is just going to be based

off of your ranking from this season and

and then so on but yeah i think

that that number should be published a

little bit just to see where it helps

people make decisions well like in the nba

or the the nfl they have tiered contracts

like yeah

If you're drafted sixth,

you're going to make between,

and they pretty much know down to like

a couple dollars what that athlete's going

to make.

Now,

what may get negotiated that we don't know

are like incentives or benefits or things

like that or just different language.

But the money, you pretty much know.

So I don't understand why they don't

publish the money.

Yeah.

If you want to be called a pro

sport, that is what pro sports do.

Every contract is public.

For the new women's professional league,

they didn't put the contracts in the first

year,

but I know that that's something that

they're going to be putting now just so

athletes and their agents can...

go to the table with the team and

be like, Hey, this is my player.

This is what they're making.

But you couldn't really do that when,

when the contracts aren't public.

Uh, John, I don't think it's guaranteed.

Even if you're hurt,

I believe that the guaranteed money is

only if you show up at the event,

it was described on one podcast as if

you show up to two out of three

events,

you will get sixty six percent of your

guarantee.

Yeah.

But I think that's why you're getting some

people showing up for a day of events

and then withdrawing.

But the thing is also like,

not only are they getting the money is

paid,

like their trip is paid for like their

travel and stuff.

Like that's a huge thing as well.

Cause we don't have that anywhere else,

but the rogue invitational.

Right.

So like you can't fault it.

Like these athletes have like this great

opportunity in front of them where it's

guaranteed money.

Their trip is paid for.

You don't have any qualifiers to do just

show up.

Like why would you say no?

Like it's hard not to.

Um, Phil, we,

we talked about that next year would be

by finish.

And if this year was different, right.

And they get a Letterman jacket.

Um,

So anyway, enough about that.

We have him in Factor Fiction,

so we'll probably finish up there.

But I did have a question from John

George that I wanted to ask a question

going back a little bit.

Was it the Jim Reapers?

No.

Oh, yeah, I saw.

How about Wadapalooza do the Masters games

paired with the Tier Cup?

So like at nighttime,

the primetime event is the tier cup.

And then during the day is the masters

CrossFit games and make it age group.

Yeah.

I mean,

I'm not sure I'd want the age group

games in the sand.

No.

Um, that's so I,

I think we'd have to tweak it a

bit, but, um, I don't know.

What are your thoughts?

I think that could be huge to get...

I think that would bring in a lot

more spectators.

It would bring in a lot of people.

And I think Columbus...

I don't see why that wouldn't work in

Columbus.

Wouldn't be maybe as fun for the Tier

Cup athletes, but...

I don't know how much you guys explored

in Columbus.

If you walked out of that door and

went straight...

for two blocks there's the hockey arena

the baseball stadium and the soccer

stadium yeah i saw that part so the

the last two are outdoor things that you

could do like a tear cup outside and

you wouldn't have the marine layer come in

on the floor at night yeah yeah that

was like dangerous

And Denise is probably right.

Is Waterpalooza willing to give up all the

money the community and other divisions

bring in?

Yeah, probably not.

I mean, they have Miami, which would stay,

I mean, I don't know.

I think it's a cool idea.

I don't think it'll ever happen.

Yeah.

But I do think it's a cool idea.

But I like,

why not try to partner the age group

games with something else like that?

Exactly.

Miami and SoCal are also big draws as

destinations.

What are you saying, Andrew,

that nobody wants to come to Columbus?

Yes.

Oh, somebody's got to spoil it for me.

I haven't watched it yet.

Sprague and Gerrard golf outing.

Who won?

Did James win?

I haven't seen it yet.

Oh,

I'll watch it when I get off here.

I had it queued up.

I was getting ready to watch that.

But he's just self-proclaiming that those

two are the best in the men's field,

but there's other golfers in the men's

field.

I guess somebody better step up and say

they're good and go challenge him.

I bet you to dig it, Jason,

like of the podium finishers,

they're the two best golfers and they're

battling it out.

Yeah.

But I could be wrong.

Fact or fiction,

I did not get into the system today.

I had an errand to run.

So I'm just going to read them out

loud.

Fact or fiction, number one.

Potential semifinals should be allowed to

partner with other comps to give automatic

bids to their competition.

And the reason I ask this is because

Carolyn told me to.

But more importantly,

let me pull up the post.

Maybe my search and Instagram is not

moving fast.

Anyway,

Northern California classic put out a

post.

If it comes up,

I'll pull it up where they said that

if you compete in this event and you

win,

you get an automatic bid to the NorCal

classic.

The crash crucible or crash camp,

whatever it's called.

Yeah.

So if you win the crash camp,

you get an automatic bid to NorCal

classic, which is next year.

Correct.

And it's assumed if you look at the

dates and times of everything,

NorCal has put out that it will be

a semifinal again.

So should you get an automatic bid by

doing a competition this year for the

CrossFit game season next year,

or should they have to go through the

open traditional way?

It's more so like that field's already

set.

The qualifier already happened for crash.

Yeah.

And after the fact,

these people are getting invites when no

one else even knew that that was going

to be an opportunity.

That's where I have issues with a lot

of times is just the invites that just

kind of come out of nowhere.

And it's like, oh, well,

if I knew or if this...

Because they have their qualifier that

they normally do in January,

which they're pre...

tickets price whatever should be coming

out soon and then they have their december

price um so you have your qualifier

already what's the like i feel like you

have your qualifier and then or the open

or something like i just want the routes

to kind of be similar i just find

that every semi-final does their own type

of qualification and it's very confusing

and hard to follow

And I think if it was everyone was

like through the open or through the open

or their qualifier and it's not.

Well, if you went to this event,

that's also a spot.

I think it just becomes too confusing and

hard to keep up with.

Yeah,

that's been a thing in the Masters realm

for a while now.

And you in like kind of with Rogue,

right?

Like.

you don't even know,

do I need to get fourth?

Do I need to get six?

Like how many people are they even taking

from this qualifier?

Like that kind of stuff is annoying

because you don't know how many people

they're inviting.

And that like,

I've noticed that in some masters comps,

like maybe they're inviting six people.

Maybe they're inviting three,

like this age group gets.

From the qualifier.

This age group gets from the qualifier.

There's no rhyme or reason.

You aren't even sure.

And more importantly, like I, I,

I would say fact,

I would say fact if it was all

laid out and it wasn't post like the

qualifier happening.

Like if you'd said this is going to

be a thing for next year and then

you do it.

Before the crush qualifier.

Yes.

Then I don't see really any issue with

it.

Like everyone should know.

that if you go to crash and win,

you have an opportunity.

Now,

I would say opportunity because I still

don't think they should get an automatic

bid.

I think they still need to do the

open and – because you need –

Cause right now you can bypass the open

according to this.

You could buy now, I don't know,

maybe to get a spot to the games

and it's similar to what the semifinals

was this year.

Like you have to,

you can be at the semifinal without doing

the open or quarterfinals,

but if you have your spot, it's, it's,

it's that ghee scenario, right?

Yeah.

But he was like,

wasn't in the top two thousand or

whatever, but it would be like a Fuliano.

Sorry.

Fuliano would be a better example.

um so if they didn't do the open

they wouldn't wouldn't be able to go to

the games even if they won that yeah

they would get a spot at norcal but

not necessarily i guess that's fine i just

think it's dumb but i mean yeah i

don't know i don't have an issue with

it but it should be should be known

before every stage like we need to know

about it not it can't be post

qualification qualifications

I think that's the problem with a lot

of what happened last year is the rules

came out after things that already

happened in the season.

And that made it crazy.

I know barbell spin put out a thing

this week.

Why do we get so upset about change?

And that's it.

It's that when the change happens,

we don't really know what's happening

until midway through the season when the

rules have finally settled.

Yeah, I think.

Tyler spoke about this with his wife.

It's it's that things keep changing.

Like you have a baseline.

This happened to me every year.

Like I had a line and then I

would do that.

But the line moved every year.

This happened to me.

We went from forty to twenty to ten.

And it's like and I would have I

would have qualified.

But the line kept moving like that is

extremely frustrating for athletes trying

to get somewhere when the line keeps

moving on them.

I know it doesn't matter for the top

ten in the world,

and they'll deal with it.

But, like,

it really – and the problem is, like,

it's hard to grow the sport when shit

doesn't make sense to your middle tier of

athletes.

Yep.

All right.

Easy, easy part two.

Fact or fiction?

Chicken wings are an appetizer.

Fact.

he was i was cracking up watching him

on that the fact that he was just

like it's a meal i mean i didn't

get it but it was a meal tyler

and and john oh i don't know no

i think john was telling him that it's

an appetizer i don't know if i watched

it this week well the thing is that

they both are like oh i don't eat

appetizers and blah blah you know what

they are come on right like we're not

under a rock here guys right they're on

every appetizer menu

Yeah, I mean,

it depends if you take a bunch of

different wings and also now your

quantity.

But if you get like six, whatever,

wings as an appetizer, whatever it is,

like a pound of wings.

It's an appetizer.

It's an appetizer for sure.

Are you a ranch or blue cheese ranch?

Yeah, ranch.

I hate blue cheese.

You're a blue cheese?

All day.

Yeah.

Ranch.

When I was a kid, I loved ranch.

And now that I'm older,

I cannot stand ranch.

I don't want it on anything.

Crazy.

It can go on everything.

All right.

Factor fiction.

Will Morad is becoming the Dave Castro of

the WFP.

And my thinking behind this, just so,

and you can take it wherever you want

to, is...

the WFP leadership are taking a step back

and they're letting will out there on his

own to answer all the questions and will

will be the one that takes the heat.

And that is what they have designated him

to be now moving forward.

Yeah, I can see that.

And he's like, uh, you know,

Dave Castro is a prick.

I feel like Will's getting that a little

bit.

And he seems to be the director of

sport, right?

He seems to be the one that's making

all the workouts.

So in many ways,

I would say fact that he is taking

that role on.

I don't know.

I think fiction.

I don't see it.

I don't see it the same, I guess.

I don't know enough about him to make

that comparison.

Like he does the programming.

He's a lot closer to the athletes and

has a different relationship, I think,

to the athletes that it's hard to compare

because he has a different experience in

the field than Dave would.

Yeah.

See, in my mind, he is,

but it's not because he's becoming the

prick.

It's because he is now the face of

WFP,

just like Dave became the face of the

CrossFit Games.

And so if there's any heat coming,

it will be Will that takes it now.

Because Jackson and Ryan Husband have all

taken a step back out of the spotlight,

and they've let Will kind of run with

it from here on.

That's my view of it.

Not necessarily like that he's...

Because I like Will.

It's really hard for me not to like

Will because I've had a lot of years

talking to him at different points in

time.

And he's always been really cool.

But I do think that he is now

out there as the face or scapegoat,

whatever may come.

Meredith Jones.

Isn't ranch almost a requirement as an

American?

It is.

Larry Young, love blue cheese,

but it's so many cows.

I'll be quite honest with you.

When I'm eating a chicken wing,

if it's a good chicken wing,

I don't want anything on it.

I just want the sauce and the chicken.

I don't want the ranch or the blue

cheese.

But if it's not great and I need

a little bit of pick me up,

I'll go with the blue cheese.

No, I want the ranch.

I want all of it.

Dump it in there.

All right, last factor fiction.

There really is no sale of CrossFit.

They've all been duping us.

It sort of seems that way at this

point, huh?

I feel like we've been waiting for like

six months at least from this sale talk.

I was like, oh,

is it going to be right after the

open?

Is it going to be right before the

games?

No,

it's going to be right after the –

it's like keep pushing it.

I don't know.

You might be onto something here.

Yeah.

Maybe nothing's happening.

Maybe they couldn't make anything work

out.

Clock, sneaky truth.

Well, hear me out.

Now let's go full conspiracy theory.

Because they said they're up for sale,

we haven't been banging on them for all

the stuff they do poorly.

Yeah.

And in that time,

they've actually started to do stuff well.

Yeah.

And to actually start moving in the right

direction with better marketing campaigns.

It was a pretty good CrossFit Games this

year.

All the old merchandise back.

Social media is back up and running and

thriving again.

The CrossFit podcast is up and running.

And now they're like, hey,

we've got it all rolling on the right

track now.

And we could actually maybe wait a couple

years and sell it for even more.

Yeah.

If you're trying to sell it,

you need to make it look good before

you try to sell because.

But maybe they made it look too good.

And now they're like, well,

if we can just keep this rolling.

Give it another year.

See if they can build on the games

even more.

Yeah.

I mean,

I'm starting to dive down this conspiracy

theory because it's been six months of

them telling us it's been sold.

Right.

Yeah.

And five hundred different names.

As soon as it hasn't even had a

sales show in like two months.

I feel like it's done.

It's killed.

No info.

No new info.

So we all believe that CrossFit really

hasn't sold.

Yes.

We've all been duped.

Yep.

I'm a fact on that one.

I'm going with the conspiracy.

I like a good conspiracy theory.

I'll go.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

So I had some questions for you.

Denise had a question back here.

I don't want to miss it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Here's my question.

What age groups do you think they will

have in person for the semis?

Thirty five to forty five.

I can't see them having in person for

divisions that only have fifteen athletes

going to the games.

That's a good point.

That is a good point.

It depends.

I think from what I'm hearing in the

people that are doing the,

at least some of the people doing these

events is that it will be fully an

age group thing.

Last year at semis,

we only let two people go from each

one.

Right.

Yeah.

So you can still have it and just

let one or two people from the sixty

five to sixty nine go.

Yeah, I could see it.

That's a big that's a big put on.

I mean,

do you think they'll have a European one?

And that was my exact thought right now

is like,

are the opportunities only going to be in

the States?

i don't think that's fair but it's a

step forward at the same time of having

an in-person event like and drug testing

at those in person too prior how about

that that's a good start that's a good

point let's do it so uh cross fat

said he bought it hook line sinker i

believe that as much as anything right now

All right.

I have a couple questions for you guys

while I open it up to the chat.

It is question time.

You can shoot us any of us a

question.

How big is the European pop for those

groups in Masters calculated decision?

I will say that the worldwide

representation at the Masters games is

even higher than the CrossFit games.

Yeah.

So I do see where that could be

a problem.

Some of the best in the world are

not from the United States,

and you could be taking away their

opportunity.

I'd argue that they'll still make it,

but yes, it's taking away.

It...

Not all masters though.

The oldies.

Hey, I'm telling you like the English,

Irish oldies are really good.

Yeah.

So there's usually one or two.

I'm trying to,

I think like the older men,

like the older men, like the older men,

like the older men,

she's a champion in her division every

time yeah she's won like four times second

three times first four times um yeah two

out of two out of twenty were outside

the us yeah that's definitely lower in the

in those groups because i would say it's

quite a bit higher in the thirty five

in the forty and are most people accepting

their places to go to the games would

you say or

is two just because like international

didn't travel.

I think most people accept.

Okay.

I have a question for you while we're

waiting.

If anybody else has questions,

if you could pick a comp workout that

you would crush,

what three movements would it contain?

Toe to bar, bar muscle up.

Power clean.

What weight for the power clean?

Probably like one twenty five.

Deadlift burpees box jump.

I almost said burpees,

but I feel like I needed to put

a barbell in the deadlifts at two twenty

five.

To two seventy five somewhere in there for

reps.

Yeah.

I'll take on anyone with those three.

I need like dense set of total bar.

Vi,

since WFP has shut down the exclusivity

rumor with regard to twenty twenty six,

did you circle back to the person who

told you that was happening?

And if so,

what did they have to say?

Well,

the problem is why it wasn't a person.

It was people.

And those people were not connected in any

way other than they had some relationship

with the WFP.

And so, but no,

I have not circled back with them.

Um,

and I'm just taking them at their word

now that there will not be exclusivity

next year.

I just think,

I just think it's a little bit inherent.

I mean,

it sounds like they're trying to move

stuff around.

they hear a conflict but like there's i

mean truly if you want to do if

you you kind of have to focus on

one or the other it as it gets

bigger that's just inevitable whether you

want to say that they're like they're not

requiring an exclusivity but

Do you think it's too early for them

to go to like four or five events

next year?

Or do you feel they should stick to

three for a few years and then build

from that?

Cause that's expensive.

Adding more,

more conflict with other competitions.

Like I feel like the three is perfect

right now where it's not too much.

You're already having people not being

able to do all three.

So I don't know that they needed to

go to more next year.

And I think that's an issue for them

going to four or even five next year

or whatever number they're going to

choose.

I think they should stick to three,

figure out where to place them and hold

that for a few years until you build

your new league.

It's too early.

It's not the right time to move to

more.

Yeah.

Well, that's just more travel for fans.

You're going to get less and less

in-person fans when you do that.

Then I've got to pick which one I

go to.

I'm probably going to save it for the

finals, which is the most important.

You can't even guarantee that everyone's

going to show up at the other three

because they don't matter.

The only one that matters is the last

one that's worth double.

They would matter if you had more.

No, they'll matter less.

they'll get spread out even more simple

math.

They would add,

they would matter more for events at

single points and one event at double

points.

You can earn way more points at the

four single point events.

You'll get more people spread out and only

do like,

the thing is you're not going to know

who is going to be where,

because inevitably you're going to have

people missing from each event.

So like as a fan, well, yeah,

I don't want to have that argument,

but

Well, that's what I'm saying.

You're as a fan,

it's pointless to go to these first four

events.

I just think it's too expensive.

You're, you're, you're,

you're paying for the athletes to compete

at all of these events for their travels.

You're needing to find venues three or

like, you know, an additional one.

They're getting the venues for free.

But here's my thing.

One,

if you put them on different continents,

then it's a different fan base that you're

going after.

Yeah.

Two, they have a PR problem.

When Jason Hopper goes on a very popular

podcast and says,

I just didn't have the excitement for this

event because the games just happened.

Like it becomes now a PR problem that

people, what is important to the athletes.

And if they're not coming in with their

best effort,

how many people are going to be paying

big ticket prices to come see it?

See, I don't buy that.

People don't go with their best effort.

I'm not saying that all of them,

weren't trying and they use different

things as it as excuses.

I'm going to continue to say that if

they have a good weekend, they're good.

And if they don't,

then they're tired from the games like

they keep like,

they're all trying their hardest.

It just depends whether they executed.

Sometimes you're sick that weekend,

sometimes you shit the bed,

sometimes literature at the beds,

maybe sometimes people but like,

I don't know,

I think they're all trying their best.

i have a hard time believing that they're

showing up and not trying to do the

best that they can on an event unless

unless they're injured and they're just

showing up for the paycheck just to get

points that's the only reason and then

maybe pull up very early uh philby do

we have new rumors lined up this week

uh i've shut down the smear campaign

machine um for the week i will say

it for the last time

I only say things on here that I

have heard from multiple sources in

different that have no connection.

That is it.

Whether it was right, wrong,

or indifferent,

it was believable because I heard it from

several people from different sources,

from different avenues.

So,

and the one story that I was told

made a lot of logical sense.

So that's all it is.

I stand by what I was told.

Just to say.

I will add one more point to what

I said.

And that's that the WFP releases their

events like three weeks before.

So I think that also plays a role

into your preparation.

You know what you're preparing for,

how to taper, like the days leading in,

what to kind of play around with to

feel better going into the event versus

trying to train everything.

And like,

you know what the events are too.

So in terms of preparation,

it helps the athletes knowing what they

are.

Uh, I'll stick to what cross fat does.

I'll just put my smear on a bagel

smear.

Um, cross that you also know,

it's not going to be your week.

That's sort of the problem with knowing

events early.

that works better for some athletes than

others.

Like some athletes can practice events

two, three times,

dial it in and perform better.

Some,

some just can't really do that or can't

put in like, I mean,

if Jason is volume sensitive,

he's not going to practice the workouts

three times.

But that's knowing yourself as an athlete

and that's your coaches knowing how to

prepare you.

That's part of the game.

Like,

If that's not something that works for

you,

like Ariel doesn't test many of the

workouts before she does pieces of them.

A lot of times she does harder pieces

than what they are.

Um, but you,

you need to figure out what works for

you.

What do you think about what Ariel does?

If you want to pay five dollars to

her Instagram,

you can see what she does every day

other than her strength workout.

Yeah.

She doesn't share the strength.

Right.

Because someone else writes her strength.

So I don't think she feels she has

the right to put it out for everybody

to consume.

But if you become a member of her

on Instagram channel for five dollars a

month,

you get you can see every workout she

does every day.

I mean,

to see what she was doing and like

what she was posting on it as a

member.

And she does her workout every day with

full explanation.

She talks about how it went for her,

how she felt during it.

where it got sticky,

all that kind of stuff.

I don't think that that matters.

Like you can,

people can look at her scores.

It doesn't mean that like they'll

replicate what they're like.

They don't know how she's feeling.

They don't know if that was her first

piece, second piece.

She just dropped off her daughter,

like at sporting event,

like what the transition space was between

her, her machines.

Like,

I don't think it matters to put your

scores out there that much.

With the full workout.

You're like the reason I find it like,

I have mine on Beyond the Whiteboard for

almost everything that I do,

basically public.

The qualifiers I keep secret,

odd little stuff if I want to just

put it as only me,

but most of my stuff is just public.

All of my scores, everything.

I don't care.

People don't know what the spacing is

between stuff.

You could do the same workout and it

looks different.

We came from an era where Matt wouldn't

share anything and Tia wouldn't share

anything.

the end of the day you're either working

hard or you're not and you're going to

be fit or you're not i just found

it refreshing to see i like that that

she does that you know i guess and

i don't have beyond the white border i'd

check out what you write up there every

day but it's like i don't know people

can do what what they do this doesn't

mean that other people can do what they

do right

Well,

and Ariel said there's only one athlete

that subscribes to her Instagram and

that's Danielle Brandon.

Wow.

So yeah, it's interesting.

Last question for me,

unless something else comes in from the

group,

what is your favorite comp to compete in

besides the CrossFit games?

We're organizational, not even close.

not even close maybe maybe fresh coast

because it's different um and then there's

there was a local comp around here that

i used to do that i like it's

cougars and sugars sugar daddies

Um, so you have to, like,

I was usually the cougar.

So like,

I would have to compete with a boy

that was younger,

more than ten years younger than me.

And where you have these had to do

with a,

a female that was more than ten years

younger than them.

Yep.

That was a cool comp.

I liked it.

And I mean, it's just,

it's just something different to do,

but

I also like to feel like I get

value out of my competitions.

Like I like a three,

three day event that has nine scores.

Like I like MFC it's close, convenient.

I think there's enough workouts.

So if I had to say like value

wise, I'd probably say MFC,

but just like a fun little event,

fresh coast.

It's fun.

I like doing the stuff on the beach,

something different.

CrossFit,

who wins the cup now that Barkov is

injured, Carol?

Canada, finally?

I mean, I'd like to see Montreal,

their young players,

step up this year and do something,

but it's been a while since Montreal's

done well.

I don't know.

I haven't seen that Barkov got injured.

I don't know what he has injured,

but Barkov plays...

on the Stanley Cup winning team, Florida.

I'm just tired of Florida and Edmonton.

I'm ready for something.

I mean,

I would like Edmonton to win one just

for McDavid to have his cup because he's

so good.

As long as he doesn't go to Toronto,

then I'm happy if he just gets a

cup.

Well,

I've heard that the Penguins are selling

everybody off this year,

so I'm just buckling up for a rough

season.

Well, that is it.

If there's no other questions from you

guys, I am.

Oh,

I think Jamie's performance says that

James from WFP performance says that some

folks were able to put in their best

work at both this year.

I'm not saying there were people that

couldn't do that,

but as from a PR perspective,

when an athlete or two start making those

statements,

it's a PR nightmare for a company.

That's all.

And I'm not saying that they're doomed.

That's what,

that's what's so hard about people with

the WFP.

You say one critical statement and they

mean, they think you mean it's like awful.

Yes.

I'm just saying like,

if you're running a company,

you don't want your athletes saying

anything negative about the

company at all especially a startup you

don't want the crossfit games champ saying

i'm too tired to give my best effort

at this whether it's an excuse whether

it's whatever yeah i agree it doesn't look

good it just becomes a pr thing that

you now have to deal with

And you have to then tell future athletes

that might be interested that that's not

really the case.

He had the flu that week or blah,

blah, blah.

You know,

like it's just something that's been lined

up or whatever.

Right.

PR is people's perceptions.

It doesn't mean it's reality.

It's that people get a perception because

of something that was said.

And now you as a company have to

deal with it.

Right.

That's all.

I'm not saying that they're doomed because

of it.

I'm just saying that it's now another

thing on their list that they have to

deal with.

And with that.

it's been a fun Sunday night.

Thank you everybody for hanging out.

Um,

I am not going to be on the

lunch show tomorrow.

Um, I have some appointments tomorrow.

Uh, so I'll have to skip that,

but I am on the Beasterfield podcast later

this week on Thursday.

Um, and then I'll be back.

I think it's Beasterfield.

beast or field what it's beast that's one

last name beasterfield chris beasterfield

So I'll be on that on Thursday,

I think, three p.m.

Eastern.

I need to look back at the text.

But with that, guys, thank you so much.

Make sure you like and subscribe to the

channel.

And thank you, John George,

for becoming a member.

We appreciate that so much.

And with that, have a great week,

everybody.

We'll see everybody next time on.

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday night,

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